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EP 151 Daniel Mezick on Ritual and Hierarchy 12

• as many of our regular listeners know we talk about the game b movement on the show from time to time for those
• interested in learning more about what the hell is this thing game b a new short film has just been released as an
• short film has just been released as an introduction to some of the game b ideas if you haven't you can check it out at
• gamebeefilm.org or search google for an initiation to game b our guest today is daniel mezik he's a
• so there's a huge opportunity like you know you're you're a game b developer acolyte
• moving into that that space that that game b the game b folks want to move into so when i say
• anti-pattern from the foragers and again in our game b context it's one of the reasons why we focus so much on building
• them and the entire group so the sovereignty thing in game b from my point of view was a huge issue
• amongst people right but i guess my take in the game b perspective is that this is ossified into rigid hierarchies and
• human operating system that we're trying to find our way through with game b we're wondering if we can build even
• very interesting question so i would submit the game b architecture is authorization architecture first and
• today we're finding some interest in people contributing money to the game b movement to do more of like this movie
• that i talked about early on do more game b arts and there's a couple of architectures one we could put it all
• the curators of projects and said yeah the game b way is let's provide a platform where people can propose
• out that's you know damn close to a almost a preamble for the game b constitution right you know it's it's
• it's the biggest open question in the game b hypothesis can we actually scale non-position based leadership to the
• you know one of the things i always have to underline for people game b is not the theory of hippies living in a mud
• the theory of hippies living in a mud hut right you know game b one still wants humanity to get to the stars right
• they're like voluntold maybe part of the game b epic is that invitational leadership leadership
• what is game b leadership cooperation coordination at scales beyond the dunbar
• interesting about this is that we we refer to this game b the word game is baked in to the term game b so that's
• we refer to this game b the word game is baked in to the term game b so that's pretty interesting number one

Currents 073: Owen Cox and Daniel Fraga on Game C 12

• right as regular listeners know i frequently reference game b a radical social change movement i've been
• involved with since 2013. to learn more about game b you can go to gamebfilm.org game b dot wiki and to
• about game b you can go to gamebfilm.org game b dot wiki and to join the online community of several
• join the online community of several thousand people working on game b go to www.game dash b dot o r g unfortunately
• anyway owen and daniel have been principled critics of game b including producing some hilarious and scurrilous
• identify with but certainly i can come up with some criticisms of game b broadly speaking i guess that just off
• so it seems to me like oftentimes with game b centric discussions issues like libido like the way that people have
• add to that yeah i mean plenty right i think the thing game b or game c rather obviously started as a joke the little
• should do about human culture and so game b but yeah game c sorry becomes this provocative way to say ah okay but
• especially the outwardly facing communications from the game b world have tended to be i mean we we vote no
• pluralism that game b itself is will have a very small number of axioms which are
• governance of any activity that wants to call itself game b another one is that anyone who wants to exit a game the
• go to the next part of the pluralism side which was we we envision uh game b society built up from small cells
• because there's one that's often talked about in our game b space especially by people who are parents young parents are
• and culturation devices and that there should be special game b phones or some damn thing which i don't know let's try
• think it's ugly it's beautiful the human the apes with clothes aspects the game b approach is more to encapsulate it at
• lies it feels like game b is a rather positivistic endeavor one that as you
• want to flip the order whereas perhaps game b wants to create you know neat little bubbles for
• coherences that we imagine emerging in the game b bubbles are not totalitarian at all right they may be agreement about
• know there is a definitely a tendency and fringes of the game b movement to what i'd call the trad orientation you
• kids rigid monogamy etc but there are also groups and people in the game b movement or advocates of polyamory there
• say not that many it almost sounds like you're describing game b as kink design why do i say this
• and unfortunately up until this point game b still sort of believe in and i'm suggesting that we should be more
• forms of perversity and enjoyment might emerge in something like a game b operating system and also what types of
• i've just been listening i think the the experimental ethos of game b seems very intelligent it seems like the right way
• population so they have gone in the direction that game b thinks which is you know a bunch of hippies living on 40
• for people who can't cut it in the real world we don't see game b as that at all we see game b as something that can
• world we don't see game b as that at all we see game b as something that can out-compete game a in many cases
• out in game thing i was at a dinner recently with four game b people from all around the world as it turned out
• one percent one of the key design principles of game b is that this is for everybody this has to be for all eight
• and i should just point out nobody in game b is claiming there should be no sex right quite the contrary we expect
• part of human life and so don't get anybody get the idea that game b is for no sex wipe the contrary and also a very
• important to note that while i mentioned there is no doubt a tendency in game b for no pornography for example no doubt
• artist myself on the like kind of fringe of the game b conversations is where are the conversations about building these
• or may not be associated with protobies and so one could have a game b venture that was a burlesque club right might be
• lowest kind of humanity and it's exactly the kind of thing that game b is opposed to and i think all right thinking people
• continuing to riff from that part of my critiques of game b that have come out in the in the videos and the
• into rebel wisdom i saw some of your guys talking about game b on rebel wisdom i was like ah that's cool and
• enough good point one of the core values of game b is that human well-being substantially is driven by conviviality
• of x-raysified funny i was just counseling a game b person about an event that she wants to have just before
• to something else that has been part of your critique is that game b doesn't deal with violence enough i think a good
• developing through the internet stuff like game b taps into that electric transgressive energy of the underground
• realizing it because there is no good outlet you know game b's gotta be is the opposite of that but for instance two of
• opposite of that but for instance two of our experts on game b education they ran a school uh what they called real
• that was a bit safer i thought was a very interesting move another game b adjacent thinker who i think very highly
• here is that in order to design and to create a project for game b spaces and in order to design social containers
• said previously jim that you know we're coming up game b is coming up with norms that should work universally i disagree
• that's perfectly compatible with how we have envisioned game b's coming into being make the people who are going to
• reason is the concept of subsidiarity which is important game b which is rules and decisions and actions should be
• major way and it's not that way yet but it is part of the game b movement that in a generation or so it ought to be
• say that the brainy big you know systems types that you hear about in game b none of us are any good at culture right
• actually one of the things that we have laid out for the evolution of game b is we we need to have uh we have a world
• this and absolutely 100 agree in in the game b game plan are uh pools of money for creators because uh jordan hall one
• and and in order to you know move move the projects that game b has and which just the impetus of doing a project is

Currents 062: Stephanie Lepp Interviews Jim Rutt on Musk and Moderation 12

• a group of about 25 people who started a social change organization called game b and it's got some interesting and
• back up this is the what i call in the game b world theory practice theory loop right
• transportation energy and and he happens to have this game b sensibility like he's
• could transition us from game a to game b is lo and behold surprise perhaps social
• to comment on your hypothesis that elon musk may be game b without even knowing it don't tell him tell him don't talk
• all your houses and fancy cars right it's a very game b move to get rid of your couple hundred million dollars
• very modest house in west texas that's a game b move right our possessions are not what's important about us right the
• equals the metrics the santa fe institute plus the game b crowd comes up with the interventions and the changes

EP 162 Max Borders on Decentralism 11

• decentralization well all the you know the work i do in the game b space we have a somewhat related that's you know
• smart guy who i've talked to several times said in his mind game b is essentially a variant on anarcho
• i've been a fellow traveler at least with the game b group not quite at the center of the activity but certainly
• like to say for instance i could imagine a game b community that is organized as a 19th century victorian village with
• all the reproducing right both could be game b so there's there's quite a lot of room in the in the pluralistic parts as
• them in the eye trust i 100 agree which is why game b is or oriented to on the ground communities whether they're
• so you know earlier you said something about game b that that struck me as as a parallel uh set of concepts that i've
• added to it you know things like uh you know and again if the game b version which is human well-being and capacity
• is collective intelligence a lot of the game b community is interested in the idea of collective intelligence

Who Are You EP 01: Seth Jordan on Social Threefolding 10

• societal transformation societal change but i hadn't heard of game b or kind of the whole world that you're a
• grasp that and i haven't delved as deeply into game b but i think yeah only in the last couple days have i gone okay
• in the last couple days have i gone okay i just really need to get game b so i think yeah we'll just i think it's
• interesting i don't really know that much about game b you don't know much about steiner's social ideas yeah i
• don't need to i mean you don't need to pitch this in terms of game b in fact relatively few of my episodes are
• relatively few of my episodes are actually focused on game b maybe maybe 20 so yeah well you just
• yeah so the reason i bring up game b is because one question i have
• approach which obviously in kind of game b game a terms is not particularly game a so i not knowing
• big i would call generative tension in game b is the complexity view which is if you
• principles like for instance you know a game b basic principle is a society whose number one value is short-term
• with nature which i would describe as at least one form of the game b prime value so if you're steering towards that game
• fact i'm working on a book right now on game b and then the first in the introduction it says if anybody quotes
• and this is something we talked about a lot in game b the
• attention hijacking dopamine interrupts and so that's again part of our game b theory is that we gradually
• viruses are malwares on our computers and that part of coming into game b is to learn how to gradually and it will be
• transactions and formality again one of our key game b insights i've actually been emphasizing this a lot in the last
• input that many uh the whole editorial board of game b thinkers you know basically put it had some input to it
• dorothy or whatever the main character in uh in the game b films called so anyways these three aspects of
• separation between the two and i would suggest that the game b approach
• in that range and uh yeah yeah one thing about game b there is no since there is no catechism there's lots of differences
• say that is would be my game b response to this which is the three elements certainly
• nation-state level or the you know the the highest level if as it is in game b where most of the cultural plumbing
• you know we still don't see that as probably how uh how game b works so i guess that's my response is that that's
• are now homeschooling for that reason but in you know to get in game b land way we honor that is through the
• horrible as that is yeah but yeah could put that back into a game b state you know we think the states to the degree
• motivation which i know is a big part of of game b and and a lot of the discussions you have what if we what if
• either they've either created it or because again think about game b in 100 years they'll be you know hundreds of
• instead 97 of them come back to the amish community i would expect game b youth to run around and try out various
• under game b philosophy so long as they were living you know within balance with
• form of self-actualization they could call themselves game b and i said we don't really like that right and they
• opposite of what we're trying to get at at game b where people could be quite different and i could disagree or i
• better off and again that's another i think an important part of how game b can can achieve this coherent pluralism
• perspectives on something and both could be game b and they're coherent at the level of the

EP 156 James Poulos on Remaining Human 9

• one of my favorite terms and our little game b movement we like to talk about epistemic humility

Currents 048: Welf von Hören on Potential 8

• that's how i interpret the transition to something like game b how do we
• life in the game b conversation there's long been idea and even the tension between
• after years of struggling with this i think the game b consensus now is that to build better institutions you need
• and that's been expanded by others in the game b thinking universe is the concept of sovereignty in fact you've
• everybody in the audience by no means is a game b person and so getting a nice description of the concept of
• description of the concept of sovereignty in the game b sense would be quite helpful

EP 161 Greg Thomas on Untangling the Gordian Knot of Race 8

• wouldn't you say that that is also connected to the idea of game b i agree that and of course to some
• that work from your perspective through game b for example well thank you greg for an extraordinarily enjoyable

Currents 065: Alexander Bard on Protopian Narratology 8

• to really track and continue formally the previous conversation the game b movement put out a movie called an
• movement put out a movie called an initiation to game b alexander and some of his compatriots on
• a meeting of the intellectual deep web and a couple of game b folks and we talked about it and alexander and i
• uh meet again the thing on the stowa was called game b meets the dark renaissance worth checking out on youtube and as i
• writing a book my first one it will be a introduction to game b and i have been it's about time jim rutz finally
• the future and that's why if you're writing this game b game a you're talking about two different mythoses
• implotation is what we use for that and for me the great thing with game b is a game that basically puts a mythos out
• return is the parasite that we refer to indirectly in the game b film oh by the way the name of the game b film is an
• indirectly in the game b film oh by the way the name of the game b film is an initiation to game tilde b
• mcluhanus a lot there's quite a few up in the game b world and i would say i am a
• to this which is talking about game b and other ways of thinking about the way forward
• i think that's just so important and we push continuously that game b at least at this stage and probably for a very
• communism yeah in fact we've come up some peter wang one of our game b folks very interesting guy came up with a very
• fascist dictatorships all over the west so the game b hypothesis is while we take less inputs we actually increase
• to you talk about membranes and we talked about membranes a lot in game b and that we think of game b organizing
• talked about membranes a lot in game b and that we think of game b organizing itself as a whole series of membranes
• fact that's where the thinking came from for the game b approach of membranes and protocols from that book and i just
• the things we talk about fair bit in game b land is we are not ludites we do not believe that we can abandon
• and this is a really important point of why building game b is so important i have a granddaughter of me two here in
• can mimic and that's exactly what you're doing in your game b plus in your work you're doing satellite you're creating
• if you were gonna be on our advisory team for designing an early game b what would you say we should be thinking
• well i would say the opposition here between game b and dark renaissance was a designed opposition
• deep web but you know the intellectual depot has a lot of game b defenders so that's actually sort of a neutral form
• social problems of the future so it's actually complementing game b for god's sake i mean the point is that if game b
• actually complementing game b for god's sake i mean the point is that if game b is great as an idea and i think you and
• to think of dark renaissance as like the dark underbelly of game b like where do you get all the energy
• the really nasty splatter movies of the game b societies or something like that but that i think the term dark

Currents 049: Ashley Colby & Jason Snyder on Doomer Optimism 7

• if you haven't checked out the new gamebee film yet an initiation to game b you can find it at
• institutional decay of course the game b analysis of game a dynamics you know a
• is that we're trying to work towards what you know whether it's game b or permaculture or whatever that are
• absolutely important of course very much part of our game b thinking which is we're not going to go back we're going
• pluralism bloom right i talk about how you know game b communities so-called proto-b's you know just pick one domain
• uniformity yep that conversation is going on in the game b world right now as proto bees are starting to
• from point a to point b to game b um would it would be it's less of a big
• out a long list of these things in my essay journey to game b and i talk about all those things develop some actual
• ultimately village scale type of communities you know proto-b's game b's type type communities to arise and
• right that takes a different road and something may spin out of game b that takes a different road to the earlier
• flat ban on talking about contemporary political issues within the game b context of course i flame off about
• contemporary political issues all the time in my outside a game b persona but within the game b venues i just have a
• time in my outside a game b persona but within the game b venues i just have a flat rule unless you can tie it
• flat rule unless you can tie it specifically to game b in a specific way you know no arguing about abortion no
• optimism is the is the like you know the the child of game b looking up for advice for from you guys i think there's
• gamebee home website there is a sub group called game b and metamodernism where people who adhere to both strongly
• the need to police it um it might be less coherent in that way than game b but you know i think just trying to set
• sense you know we were aware from the very beginning of game b back in 2013 that the the cultish bad attractor is
• and i just want to say you know i've known about game b for a while and you know i've been highly influenced by
• know i've been highly influenced by game b i've listened to your podcast ever since about the beginning and so
• your your influence is definitely and the whole game b influence is definitely part of our dna so i just want to thank